I'm 43 years old, with five kids. My son is 23, my daughter is 19, another daughter is 14, a son is…

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I'm 43 years old, with five kids. My son is 23, my daughter is 19, another daughter is 14, a son is 12, and my youngest daughter is 9. The father left for another woman; he got tired, domestic life wore him down, our life became too expensive for him 😆 well, screw him. He pays child support, a pittance, of course – it's saved for the kids' accounts. I saw a post below about someone having babies for benefits. It got me curious. We do get benefits, for the last year since my husband left. The benefits for three kids come out to about 30,000 [currency]. And how can anyone have kids for that money? Our monthly expenses for the kids are around 100,000 [currency]. Food, all sorts of developmental activities, pocket money, pharmacy, doctors if needed. I recently got braces for my daughter, which cost 120,000 [currency]. The dad refused to help with this, even though he earns enough, but it's unofficial. Officially, he makes 30,000 [currency]. How can anyone live on benefits these days? Some posts here are truly surprising! 😃
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Elena
Of course, we have them for our little ones! That's why we have kids 😂
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Vasilisa
So, these small benefits you're getting are from Moscow, for example, one child gets about 22,000 rubles (for 5 children, that's over 100,000 rubles) and of course, it doesn't reach the kids 🤷️
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NetPrint Ru
Just like usual. I kick them out into the yard and let them play, clothes, shoes, used toys, the cheapest food like "Red Price", don't pay for anything at school or kindergarten. All check-ups and tests are free, all the money saved goes to booze, cigarettes, and eyelashes 😊
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Tatyana
That's just envy talking...
I also often hear, 'A Moscow mom with many kids must be raking in the dough'... but we're not exactly struggling financially.
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MARGARITA
Vasilisa Two are adults already. Three are left.
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Nadezhda
Vasilisa Well, expenses are higher in Moscow too. We go to Moscow often for work, and many people pay 100k for their mortgages.
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Nadezhda
NetPrint Ru Well, those are clearly the outliers.
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Lenushka
Back in the Soviet times, we lived on less money. I never got braces as a kid, even though I needed them. I was never given pocket money, never taken to paid doctors, didn't get much for birthdays, ate very simply, dressed okay but not great, and all the furniture in my room was old. I wrote at a half-ruined desk and the wardrobe was from my grandmother's.
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Vasilisa
Vasilisa We know what kind of moms we're talking about 😉 And yes, some people in Moscow inherit 5 apartments, rent them out, drink the money away, and live pretty well, in their own way. It's the same with benefits!
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NetPrint Ru
NetPrint Ru They're the ones who only drink on holidays 🤣
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Nadezhda
Lenushka Well, I can't let my children live like that. And why would I? In the USSR, many workers were given apartments. Many people inherited apartments from their moms or grandmas, or got them through privatization. This was true in Moscow and in the regions. But now, apartments mostly mean mortgages with insane interest rates, and all good healthcare is paid.
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Anita
It's easier to live without benefits).
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Yuliya
Vasilisa Ugh, our family of 4 spends over 200, and we're too 'rich' for benefits. So we're basically having kids for free? 100 would barely cover food and utilities, God willing.
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Kseniya
Lenushka And that's no reason to live the same way now. Like, 'we lived like this, so you have to live like this too.')) They didn't give me money for expenses, didn't take me to doctors, didn't get me braces, and I didn't even have my own room. So when I decided to have children, I knew for sure they would have their own rooms, braces, and pocket money) I've been through that – and I didn't like it))) Let my children live their childhood differently
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Irina
Vasilisa To get 22,000 (which is 100% of the benefit), you either need to have absolutely no income or hide it completely and live on the minimum wage. But again, how can you hide it if they track account activity in Moscow? And? These children need at least living space, which is astronomically expensive in Moscow, plus beds, clothes, and food. What would be left from that 100,000? It wouldn't be enough to live on for a month.
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Nadezhda
Well, based on your username, it's pretty clear what this is about.
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Lenushka
Lenushka Good for you, you have the money to give your children everything. Some people just don't want to work.
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Feya
I have four and don't receive any benefits, we're too rich for the government 🤣
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Olga
Igorek, is that you?
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Vasilisa
Vasilisa I already answered above about which category of mothers I'm talking about)) those who give birth just for benefits to get drunk on them. That's the kind of people you see on "Men/Women".
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Nadezhda
💊🔯
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Vasilisa
Vasilisa If you give birth in Moscow every 3 years, the zero-income rule applies, and conditional alimony isn't counted, so a 100% benefit of 22,000 [rubles] for an unemployed, drinking woman is totally realistic for each child.
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Nadezhda
Vasilisa What does conditional alimony mean? Don't they look at bank account activity for that?
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Vasilisa
Vasilisa Have you forgotten how to use cash? ))) No card activity?
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Nadezhda
Vasilisa No, but child support payments come to your card, right?
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Romanova Olga
Those who give birth for benefits don't get braces for their child. They likely don't even take them to the dentist. And there are definitely no after-school clubs. The school uniform is hand-me-down from an older sibling.
But a bowl of soup isn't that expensive.
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Vasilisa
Vasilisa Not always )) think about what options you have
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Nadezhda
Vasilisa Honestly, I don't even know, everything I have is on cards for the kids
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Vasilisa
Vasilisa Notarized agreement + cash payment with receipt
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Nadezhda
Vasilisa Oh, well, it's not that often that dads are great and sign agreements
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Vasilisa
Vasilisa That's great :)
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Dergunova Lesya
They don't put braces on, saving money. In our region, people earn 30-40 thousand [currency]. You can't afford braces on that salary, with or without benefits.
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Dergunova Lesya
Vasilisa Why do you think benefits don't reach children? A few might misuse them, yes, but the majority of parents love their children and need the benefits precisely to support them. In our region, many people have very low salaries. And across the country, there are many single mothers, and not all of them have the opportunity to earn high wages.
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Irina
It says for teenagers, for everyone, basically.
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Vasilisa
Vasilisa Please reread my comment thread 😁 there's an answer to that question. I'm too lazy to repeat myself
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Tatyana
Feya Likewise
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RUSTAMOVA LARISA
Can't you read properly? It says "for teenagers." That means for three. That's about what I get for my girls too. What's the problem?
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Olga
Even if she only makes 100k, she still won't get any benefits.
And yes, the post has been edited 😉
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Olga
She edited the post)
Even if her income is 100k, she's still not eligible for benefits. Pure BS)))
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Fedorova Karina
What do you mean it's not supposed to be? An income of 100k can easily be unofficial too.
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Nadezhda
I didn't edit the post. You need to know how to read
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Kristina
I once read an expense diary on Tinkoff Journal by the Teplyakovs, the parents of Alice. Back then, they had about 7 children. He wrote all sorts of wild things, like fruits are bad for kids, fish too. He bought grains, loaves of bread, and pork in bulk. He was outraged by people who spent money on their children, saying it was all pampering and that he knew better. His children were unkempt, in rags, and instead of extracurriculars, they attended university at 9 years old))
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Nadezhda
Kristina Horrible, but that's more the exception than the rule
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Olga
Sure, sure, we believe you. We also believe you about the benefits, about your husband leaving you with five kids, and about the 100,000 for your teenager(s)... Each story is more believable than the last.
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Natasha
she didn't edit the post. I read it before there were any comments on it)
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Irina
Vasilisa The zero-income rule applies to all large families (single-parent ones too), and you don't necessarily have to have kids every 3 years for it. If a family consists of a woman and 3 or more children, even if they're older than 3 but under 18 (or 23 if they're full-time students), the zero-income rule will still apply to her. Now, for the zero-income rule to apply to both parents, then yes, you'd need to have kids every 3 years. And conditional alimony is still calculated for large families with the right to zero income. To avoid having conditional alimony calculated, you'd have to get divorced and remarry someone else. So basically, they'll either count your new husband's salary or the conditional alimony. But in such a family, neither parent will be able to use the zero-income rule, at least not until the new husband also qualifies as having a large family.
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Olga
She didn't fix anything. I saw the post without comments when it first appeared, "now" and "1 min ago".
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Irina
Vasilisa It doesn't matter if the alimony is credited to your card or not, because conditional alimony or actual alimony will be counted for any divorced woman until she remarries.
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Vasilisa
Vasilisa Ohhh, right, exactly ) I totally forgot about moms with multiple kids 👍 all correct )
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